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October 15, 1864
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PUNCH. OR THE LONDON CHARIVARI.
[October 15, 1864.
JAMES MACE AND PAUL CULLEN.
I
To Mr. Punch.
Sib,—Has yours is not a sporting
print shall cut it short on
that head, only that I meant
hting. But in regard to a
letter which have been sent
to papers by a party sineing
himself Paul Cullen, ob-
jecting to the fight which
nobody asked him to see,
beg to say that cheek is
cheap, and fine words butter
no parsons. Twice in that
letter he have called me a
“foreigner,” and beg to say
am proud to be considered
as such by him, but if aloud
a chance would shew the
foreigner could get Home
pretty quick on the conk of
said Cullen, if he wold put
in an Apearance, as the wits
say in my Parlour. Has
for “ Gladiator ” which is
another of his slang, that is neither here nor there, but am given to
understand they was disreputable Homans like himself. If he means
his mark at the hend, like this X, to insinnuate a Cross as my intention,
he is language slightly unconventional), but if he is only an Igno-
ramass, which have his letter wrote for him by another Party and
him make his mark, he is only an object of pitty by inserting wich will
oblige
Yours respectfully
James Mace (Pugilist).
LICENCE EOR EXETER HALL.
Last week the Public Houses were licensed by the Magistrates. In
the report of the proceedings we find this statement:—
“ Mr. Poland applied for a renewal of a music licence to Henry Pownall, Esq.,
J. Corduroy, Esq , Samuel Haydon, Esq., Paul Augustine Kingdon, Esq., John
Fish Pownall, Esq., and Basil Woodd, Esq., for Exeter Hall.
“ The licence was granted.”
This is true, but the report is a very inadequate representation of
what took place before the worthy Magistrates, and Mr. Punch feels it
his duty to supply the omissions.
On the licence being asked for,
Mr. Punch, Q.C., rose, and begged leave to say a few words. He
appeared on behalf of the British Public, for whom he held a general
retainer. He was not about to oppose the application, unless unsatis-
factory replies should be made to certain inquiries which he should
’make. He entirely approved, indeed, of Exeter Hall being used for
musical purposes, being himself very fond of music of the higher class.
The CBAmMAN said that any information as to the learned gentle-
man’s private tastes could not be otherwise than interesting; but as
there was a good deal of business before them-
Mr. Punch was the last person to interfere with the progress of'
public business.
The Chairman. But you are interfering with it.
Mr. Punch was in the habit of addressing much higher tribunals
than that before which he had then the honour of appearing, and must
say that unless counsel were allowed a certain discretion--
The Chairman. Counsel is now displaying indiscretion.
Mr. Punch must respectfully observe that though the learned
Chairman was no doubt all that was estimable in his private capacity, it
would be difficult for him, Mr. Punch, to convey in forensic language
the depressed estimate he had formed of that learned person’s judicial
intelligence.
The Chairman said that they did not sit there to wrangle with
counsel.
Mr. Punch concurred in that remark, and was glad the learned
Chairman comprehended that he sat there to be instructed by counsel,
and to be preserved from absurdities into which persons fell who did not
enjoy that advantage.
Alter this little ordinary scene, business was resumed, and Mr. Punch
remarked with his usual good humour, that if he had said anything offen-
sive to the worthy Magistrates, he heartily forgave them, and dismissed
the matter from his recollection. He had always regarded the Middlesex
Magistrates as the palladium of British liberty and the cynosure of
neighbouring eyes. He would now proceed to say, or rather, in confor-
mity with his friend Dean Alford’s suggestion, would go on to say.
that no possible exception could be taken to the performance in Exeter
Hall of the masterpieces of Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Mendelssohn.
and others. But he wished to ask Mr. Pownall a few questions. And
first he would ask that gentleman, against whose character lie had
nothing whatever to say, whether Exeter Hall was not always crowded
on oratorio nights ?
Mr. Pownall. I believe so.
Mr. Punch. Inconveniently crowded, from the number of tickets
issued being in excess of that of the seats provided P
Mr. Pownall. We have nothing to do with that. It is between the
managers of the performances and the public. Besides, English people
like a crush, and I am told, though of course I never go near such
places, that nothing fills worldly and wicked theatres like a statement
that nobody can get in.
Mr. Punch. Very well, Sir, very well. The answer savours slightly
of the worldliness you are so desirous to disclaim (especially as your
rent is paid by the aid of the shillings of persons who are unable to
obtain what they believed they purchased) but business is business.
But now, Mr. Pownall, answer this. What facilities for egress are
provided for these great crowds P
Mr. Pownall. That is between the architect and the public.
Mr. Punch. I must have a better answer than that.
Mr. Pownall. Well, Sir, if people walk down-stairs becomingly and
quietly, as they ought to do after hearing sacred music, they will get
out as they came in; that is to say, in perfect safety.
Mr. Punch. Do you believe that the performance of sacred music
miraculously preserves a building from fire ?
Mr. Pownall. I am not prepared to say that I do.
Mr. Punch. There have been, I believe, fires, or alarms of fire, in
churches and chapels, where religious and decorous feelings must be
stronger than even after a concert, and yet people have rushed out fran-
tically, and have been trampled on or crushed.
Mr. Pownall. I have read of such afflictions. I have heard of
similar judgments on people in theatres.
Mr Punch. What reason have you for believing that no such event
can occur in Exeter Hall ?
Mr. Pownall. I never said that it could not occur.
Mr. Punch. Very well. Sir. If it should, is it not notorious that
the vomitories of Exeter Hall are insufficient for the release of a terrified
multitude ?
Mr. Pownall. A multitude should sit still until the nature of the
casualty can be ascertained, and explained, and in all probability it will
turn out to be a trifle. But if it be necessary to leave the Hall, it is
the multitude’s own fault if it rushes, and crushes, and tumbles.
Mr. Punch. A very just observation, Sir. Are you aware that the
architect of the theatre near the Hall, the Adelphi, has provided so
many exits that, as was lately shown, an audience can be turned into
the streets in five minutes P
Mr. Pownall. I have read such a statement. Do you expect the
Trustees of Exeter Hall to copy the devices of a theatre ?
Mr. Punch. You have no right to question counsel, Sir, but I |
reply that those holy and virtuous men copy those devices to
the extent of taking money obtained by offering every attraction
to the public. Your rent is made out of singers and players from
the Opera, led by the great Opera Conductor of the day, and one of
your greatest nights occurs when your lyric theatre gives the works of
the author of Don Juan. Are you not theatrical managers ?
Mr. Pownall. Sir, I heartily thank you. I am not narrow-minded,
and you have convinced me. That we, the Trustees, do not ourselves
sell tickets is nothing. We share the gains, and qui facit per alium
facit per se. I have to say, on the part of myself and colleagues, that
we feel how frightful would be the responsibility in case of accident,
and our architect shall be requested to visit the theatre—Mr. Web-
ster’s, I believe—and examine his improvements with a view to their '
adoption at the Hall. Philadelpheion shall learn from the Adelphi.
Mr. Punch. I said, Mr. Chairman, that I had no intention of op-
posing this licence, I now beg to add, valeant quantum, my most earnest 1
assurances that I hope it may be granted.
The Chairman. Recommendation from Mr. Punch is-
Mr. Punch. 0, I am sure you are-
Licence granted, and the case of the Pig and Scissors, Ratcliffe
Highway, called on.
“ Wer’t his Neck-verse at Hairibee.”
In the balance sheet just extorted from the notoriois Colonel
Waugh, is the item, “ By Church account, £7,256 Ss. bd.” What it
means we know not, but sundry whom he has ruined would probably
not be sorry to see him in the position in which culprits used to demand
Benefit of Clergy. _
PAPAL PEBFORABILITY.
Letters from Rome state that “ the Pope was impenetrable with
regard to the Eranco-Italian convention.” By other accounts we un-
derstand that his Holiness is much bored with it.
PUNCH. OR THE LONDON CHARIVARI.
[October 15, 1864.
JAMES MACE AND PAUL CULLEN.
I
To Mr. Punch.
Sib,—Has yours is not a sporting
print shall cut it short on
that head, only that I meant
hting. But in regard to a
letter which have been sent
to papers by a party sineing
himself Paul Cullen, ob-
jecting to the fight which
nobody asked him to see,
beg to say that cheek is
cheap, and fine words butter
no parsons. Twice in that
letter he have called me a
“foreigner,” and beg to say
am proud to be considered
as such by him, but if aloud
a chance would shew the
foreigner could get Home
pretty quick on the conk of
said Cullen, if he wold put
in an Apearance, as the wits
say in my Parlour. Has
for “ Gladiator ” which is
another of his slang, that is neither here nor there, but am given to
understand they was disreputable Homans like himself. If he means
his mark at the hend, like this X, to insinnuate a Cross as my intention,
he is language slightly unconventional), but if he is only an Igno-
ramass, which have his letter wrote for him by another Party and
him make his mark, he is only an object of pitty by inserting wich will
oblige
Yours respectfully
James Mace (Pugilist).
LICENCE EOR EXETER HALL.
Last week the Public Houses were licensed by the Magistrates. In
the report of the proceedings we find this statement:—
“ Mr. Poland applied for a renewal of a music licence to Henry Pownall, Esq.,
J. Corduroy, Esq , Samuel Haydon, Esq., Paul Augustine Kingdon, Esq., John
Fish Pownall, Esq., and Basil Woodd, Esq., for Exeter Hall.
“ The licence was granted.”
This is true, but the report is a very inadequate representation of
what took place before the worthy Magistrates, and Mr. Punch feels it
his duty to supply the omissions.
On the licence being asked for,
Mr. Punch, Q.C., rose, and begged leave to say a few words. He
appeared on behalf of the British Public, for whom he held a general
retainer. He was not about to oppose the application, unless unsatis-
factory replies should be made to certain inquiries which he should
’make. He entirely approved, indeed, of Exeter Hall being used for
musical purposes, being himself very fond of music of the higher class.
The CBAmMAN said that any information as to the learned gentle-
man’s private tastes could not be otherwise than interesting; but as
there was a good deal of business before them-
Mr. Punch was the last person to interfere with the progress of'
public business.
The Chairman. But you are interfering with it.
Mr. Punch was in the habit of addressing much higher tribunals
than that before which he had then the honour of appearing, and must
say that unless counsel were allowed a certain discretion--
The Chairman. Counsel is now displaying indiscretion.
Mr. Punch must respectfully observe that though the learned
Chairman was no doubt all that was estimable in his private capacity, it
would be difficult for him, Mr. Punch, to convey in forensic language
the depressed estimate he had formed of that learned person’s judicial
intelligence.
The Chairman said that they did not sit there to wrangle with
counsel.
Mr. Punch concurred in that remark, and was glad the learned
Chairman comprehended that he sat there to be instructed by counsel,
and to be preserved from absurdities into which persons fell who did not
enjoy that advantage.
Alter this little ordinary scene, business was resumed, and Mr. Punch
remarked with his usual good humour, that if he had said anything offen-
sive to the worthy Magistrates, he heartily forgave them, and dismissed
the matter from his recollection. He had always regarded the Middlesex
Magistrates as the palladium of British liberty and the cynosure of
neighbouring eyes. He would now proceed to say, or rather, in confor-
mity with his friend Dean Alford’s suggestion, would go on to say.
that no possible exception could be taken to the performance in Exeter
Hall of the masterpieces of Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Mendelssohn.
and others. But he wished to ask Mr. Pownall a few questions. And
first he would ask that gentleman, against whose character lie had
nothing whatever to say, whether Exeter Hall was not always crowded
on oratorio nights ?
Mr. Pownall. I believe so.
Mr. Punch. Inconveniently crowded, from the number of tickets
issued being in excess of that of the seats provided P
Mr. Pownall. We have nothing to do with that. It is between the
managers of the performances and the public. Besides, English people
like a crush, and I am told, though of course I never go near such
places, that nothing fills worldly and wicked theatres like a statement
that nobody can get in.
Mr. Punch. Very well, Sir, very well. The answer savours slightly
of the worldliness you are so desirous to disclaim (especially as your
rent is paid by the aid of the shillings of persons who are unable to
obtain what they believed they purchased) but business is business.
But now, Mr. Pownall, answer this. What facilities for egress are
provided for these great crowds P
Mr. Pownall. That is between the architect and the public.
Mr. Punch. I must have a better answer than that.
Mr. Pownall. Well, Sir, if people walk down-stairs becomingly and
quietly, as they ought to do after hearing sacred music, they will get
out as they came in; that is to say, in perfect safety.
Mr. Punch. Do you believe that the performance of sacred music
miraculously preserves a building from fire ?
Mr. Pownall. I am not prepared to say that I do.
Mr. Punch. There have been, I believe, fires, or alarms of fire, in
churches and chapels, where religious and decorous feelings must be
stronger than even after a concert, and yet people have rushed out fran-
tically, and have been trampled on or crushed.
Mr. Pownall. I have read of such afflictions. I have heard of
similar judgments on people in theatres.
Mr Punch. What reason have you for believing that no such event
can occur in Exeter Hall ?
Mr. Pownall. I never said that it could not occur.
Mr. Punch. Very well. Sir. If it should, is it not notorious that
the vomitories of Exeter Hall are insufficient for the release of a terrified
multitude ?
Mr. Pownall. A multitude should sit still until the nature of the
casualty can be ascertained, and explained, and in all probability it will
turn out to be a trifle. But if it be necessary to leave the Hall, it is
the multitude’s own fault if it rushes, and crushes, and tumbles.
Mr. Punch. A very just observation, Sir. Are you aware that the
architect of the theatre near the Hall, the Adelphi, has provided so
many exits that, as was lately shown, an audience can be turned into
the streets in five minutes P
Mr. Pownall. I have read such a statement. Do you expect the
Trustees of Exeter Hall to copy the devices of a theatre ?
Mr. Punch. You have no right to question counsel, Sir, but I |
reply that those holy and virtuous men copy those devices to
the extent of taking money obtained by offering every attraction
to the public. Your rent is made out of singers and players from
the Opera, led by the great Opera Conductor of the day, and one of
your greatest nights occurs when your lyric theatre gives the works of
the author of Don Juan. Are you not theatrical managers ?
Mr. Pownall. Sir, I heartily thank you. I am not narrow-minded,
and you have convinced me. That we, the Trustees, do not ourselves
sell tickets is nothing. We share the gains, and qui facit per alium
facit per se. I have to say, on the part of myself and colleagues, that
we feel how frightful would be the responsibility in case of accident,
and our architect shall be requested to visit the theatre—Mr. Web-
ster’s, I believe—and examine his improvements with a view to their '
adoption at the Hall. Philadelpheion shall learn from the Adelphi.
Mr. Punch. I said, Mr. Chairman, that I had no intention of op-
posing this licence, I now beg to add, valeant quantum, my most earnest 1
assurances that I hope it may be granted.
The Chairman. Recommendation from Mr. Punch is-
Mr. Punch. 0, I am sure you are-
Licence granted, and the case of the Pig and Scissors, Ratcliffe
Highway, called on.
“ Wer’t his Neck-verse at Hairibee.”
In the balance sheet just extorted from the notoriois Colonel
Waugh, is the item, “ By Church account, £7,256 Ss. bd.” What it
means we know not, but sundry whom he has ruined would probably
not be sorry to see him in the position in which culprits used to demand
Benefit of Clergy. _
PAPAL PEBFORABILITY.
Letters from Rome state that “ the Pope was impenetrable with
regard to the Eranco-Italian convention.” By other accounts we un-
derstand that his Holiness is much bored with it.